I’m usually slower at following up on messages we receive – not this time.
We’ve just received a tip-off and I’m actually annoyed at the deliberate ‘perusing’ which comes literally nothing short of trawling the internet to find something to nitpick and start an argument that invariably ends with the perpetrator’s uprighteous judgement and the insinuation that Alexandrians who came long before her know nothing about their tradition.
I’m even more annoyed that when hard evidence is provided, the perpetrator insists in denying the obvious with arguments typical of armchair magicians on the scale of below freezing insight.
Let’s start with Eris’ apple…..
Perusing other groups, a disconcerting statement made was that ‘Alexandrians work mainly skyclad’.
Comments invited. – Sharon Day
A disconcerting statement…what I really find disconcerting is the practice to divulge pictures of sacred rites for fame and gain – be them staged or not. If that does not represents the true picture of what witches do, it constitutes deception and false advertising.
My very limited experience (one coven that I’ve been initiated into) confirms that this is true. Is is the “mainly” that’s ‘bothering you’? I suppose there can be exceptions to the rule if a coven is willing to accommodate (self autonomy and all).
But we must remember what the Goddess says in Her Charge. – Anon
There comes a point in an Alexandrian ritual (a few steps before the Charge of the Goddess) when the HP/HPS declares “Be thou naked in your rites.” Every coven with undiluted lineage to Alex or Maxine has it as part of their standard liturgy. You don’t? Then you did not receive authentic training. Period. There has only ever been one exception and one exception alone: a priestess on her monthly cycle. Outdoors, indoors, that’s just plain common sense. If the weather does not allow, you stay in. When working magic outdoors, covens cast a spell of invisibility. But what if, you say? Then you ain’t a witch, you can’t work magic, stay at home and watch TV. Too delicate for the weather (holy cow, we’re talking elements here)? Stay at home and watch TV.
Alright then, so Sharon Day has the green light to take away from the tradition on the basis of being disconcerted. Did she mention she had a problem with working skyclad when she asked for initiation or is this misinformation just the equivalent of handing over the US to Donald Trump. Ahhh, no wait, she can’t part from the glitzy robes and is afraid someone might stare at her sagging boobs. Yep, can’t trust those coveners with keeping their mind on their work. Can’t even trust those 42 Assessors to make their right decision for you, before you initiate someone you cannot fully trust. But I bet she does demand perfect trust though.
Are you serious? Watch telly if working this system of magic causes a disconcerted mindset.
Rule? – Sharon Day
Read woman…bloody read and think before you speak.
Of practising naked. – Anon
On second thoughts she’s deliberately sending you round in circles. Here comes the proof.
On the basis of, in your own words, your ‘very limited experience’ in ‘one coven’, how is it confirmed to be true and should therefore be taken as a ‘rule’ of practise for a whole tradition? – Sharon Day
She’s being a total bitch for the sake of winning the argument. Why invite comments? How dare she put down participants in good faith publicly, so to put herself above them!!! . Did she start the thread to show off and bleed your spirits dry or to listen what people have to say to her own question? Request a clear-cut answer to her own question and the reasons as to why it is so disconcerting or close that thread and be done with pointless ‘discussions.’ If you think yourself a witch, NEVER EVER let anyone disrespect you like that. You must set BOUNDARIES as to how people treat you.
Bear in mind that I also said ‘self autonomy’. Each Coven is to their own and how they choose to practise is down to them.
I’m sure that there are photos depicting Alex, Maxine, the Farrars, and others naked whilst practising their rights.
I will neither deny nor confirm any mention of being naked from the Book of Shadows…
Maxine and two other initiates (all of whom I presume are Alexandrian Witches) are naked here…
What do you think about the comment, Sharon?
And by the way, Alexandrians may start and end a ritual in robes but I never seen the moon or the sun being drawn on a robed priest/ess (Veils are not robes and mystery symbols in their own right…so please let’s not confuse the two or even put them on the par).
******, the original post is not about coven autonomy.
This may come as a huge surprise but with few exception – ALL – of the photos of Alex and Maxine with others in the time period you are referencing – are staged.
As regards the Charge of the Goddess in the Book of Shadows, it’s great that you bring this up because it is a point we can use on a separate thread which goes to having freedom of choice, so thank you for that!
Staged: Always been against parading witchcraft and always will. I can’t stand seeing witchcraft being used as a ‘look at me’ toy when it suits and then hear all this ado about oaths and hidden children of the goddess. Besides, we have Alex’s word for it that staging can go wrong. Why has Alex been relegated as a voiceless icon in the background? We can’t trust what that one time he made an evaluation of his magical practice when he was alive but we should trust what comes through an Ouija board to someone who never met him.
Freedom of choice: for reasons already explained above, one cannot take away from the tradition. To do so, just because someone finds being skyclad disconcerting and has not got over socio-cultural conditioning and cannot keep their mind focused on the work is a weak link. Why are these people even there, if they cannot manage the basics. The freedom of which the Charge speaks is about transcending constraints and socially imposed mores to liberate the spirit (same as priestesses letting their hair loose in circle…although there is another layer of meaning about hair) so to work witchcraft, the witch must return to the natural state. It’s a symbolic act akin to lighting candles, consecrating water etc.
Witchcraft is not ceremonial magic. The Charge is witchcraft. Then there are other aspects of the tradition which are not. In those aspects, initiates work robed, because it is not necessary. Freedom of choice comes after necessity. Freedom of choice is not an excuse to indulge in pandering personal unresolved issues. In fact, I find personal issues are often more of a barrier to magic than mental and physical disability. They denote weakness of character – something a witch, magician, shaman, whatever, cannot afford to have.
I’m going to leave it at that and hope the reader who forwarded this info won’t have it bad if I don’t include all of the thread.
There is a second part that just arrived and will deal with it in a separate post.